<html><head><base href="x-msg://2084/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Just to clarify, in Belgium the ISOC chapter has convinced together with a few other organisations the Belgian government to freeze for a while the decision to implement an Hadopi alike law ... <div><br></div><div><div>
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<br><div><div>Op 22-jun-2010, om 22:34 heeft Franck Martin het volgende geschreven:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><span>yes indeed, and the British, the Belgium, the Spanish and a few others now (or soon)...<br><br>So should we fight or encourage?<br><br>To read the politics behind all of that, HADOPI was pushed by the Political right in France, while this initiative is pushed by the political left of France (the Foreign Affairs Minister is from the left party). Some days you win, some days you loose.<br><br><br><span name="x"></span><div><div><div>Franck Martin<br><a href="http://www.avonsys.com/" mce_href="http://www.avonsys.com/">http://www.avonsys.com/</a><br><a href="http://www.facebook.com/Avonsys" mce_href="http://www.facebook.com/Avonsys">http://www.facebook.com/Avonsys</a><br>twitter:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://twitter.com/FranckMartin" mce_href="http://twitter.com/FranckMartin">FranckMartin</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://twitter.com/avonsys" mce_href="http://twitter.com/avonsys">Avonsys</a><br><br>Check your domain reputation:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://gurl.im/b69d4o" mce_href="http://gurl.im/b69d4o">http://gurl.im/b69d4o</a><br></div></div></div><span name="x"></span><br></span><br><hr id="zwchr"><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Carlos Martinez" <<a href="mailto:carlosmarcelomartinez@gmail.com">carlosmarcelomartinez@gmail.com</a>><br><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Franck Martin" <<a href="mailto:franck@avonsys.com">franck@avonsys.com</a>><br><b>Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a><br><b>Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wednesday, 23 June, 2010 8:27:45 AM<br><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Freedom<br><br><can't help it><br>Speaking about wrongly securing the Internet, the French should do a serious introspective analysis of HADOPI.<br></can't help it><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Franck Martin<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:franck@avonsys.com" mce_href="mailto:franck@avonsys.com" target="_blank">franck@avonsys.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" mce_style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;" style="margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex; "><div><div mce_style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><span><a href="http://ambafrance-us.org/spip.php?article1659" mce_href="http://ambafrance-us.org/spip.php?article1659" target="_blank">http://ambafrance-us.org/spip.php?article1659</a><br><br>Is ISOC or its chapters are participating in this initiative?<br><br>It seems to me more rewarding to help here than to fight laws that tries to wrongly secure the Internet.<br><br><span></span><div><div><div>Franck Martin<br><a href="http://www.avonsys.com/" mce_href="http://www.avonsys.com/" target="_blank">http://www.avonsys.com/</a><br><a href="http://www.facebook.com/Avonsys" mce_href="http://www.facebook.com/Avonsys" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/Avonsys</a><br>twitter:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://twitter.com/FranckMartin" mce_href="http://twitter.com/FranckMartin" target="_blank">FranckMartin</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://twitter.com/avonsys" mce_href="http://twitter.com/avonsys" target="_blank">Avonsys</a><br><br>Check your domain reputation:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://gurl.im/b69d4o" mce_href="http://gurl.im/b69d4o" target="_blank">http://gurl.im/b69d4o</a><br></div></div></div><span></span><br></span><br></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>Chapter-delegates mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" mce_href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a><br><a href="https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/chapter-delegates" mce_href="https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/chapter-delegates" target="_blank">https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/chapter-delegates</a><br><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>========================<br>Carlos M. 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