<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Mike, <div><br></div><div>Correct, while willing to respond many hundreds of outstanding mails I made a mistake by writing "in debt" in stead off "in depth".</div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>Op 26-mei-2010, om 19:44 heeft mike.todd92 het volgende geschreven:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Rudi,<div><br></div><div>I think you meant to go in depth on this subject. Going into debt at this time is not a good idea... <s></div><div><br></div><div>Mike Todd<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/5/26 Rudi Vansnick <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rudi.vansnick@isoc.be">rudi.vansnick@isoc.be</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">I agree with Veni. Some activities have no relation to analog world and need specific legislation. Being involved in Belgium in the online gambling law we discovered by using existing analog law the implementation based on the analog would completely fail. I would propose we create a specific workgroup to go in debt on this subject and eventually elaborate a list of recommendations based on national (memberstate) level.<br>
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Op 20-mei-2010, om 05:49 heeft Veni Markovski het volgende geschreven:<br>
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> Thanks, Frederic.<br>
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> I am a little bit startled by your statement<br>
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> "In addressing the issue of cyber security, we would encourage the European Commission and European member states to focus primarily on enforcing laws that already exist in the non-digital world rather than focusing on creating new legal systems that only address criminal behaviour in cyberspace. European policymakers and governments should also work with the Internet community to ensure that users have the information and skills they need to use the Internet safely and within the law,"<br>
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> I can speak as a lawyer, and one of the co-authors of the Computer Crimes chapter in the Bulgarian Penal Code, and a firm believer that cybercrime needs to be addressed in special way. I would like to see how ISOC believes that the new digital crimes can be dealt with via the old analog laws - more details from you would be appreciated.<br>
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> I will write later more on the Digital Agenda, but I see other serious issues, which are not addressed correctly, besides cybersecurity - copyright, and broadband access.<br>
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> Best,<br>
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> On 5/19/2010 17:43, Frederic Donck wrote:<br>
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>> Just in case you haven't seen it- The European Commission just released its "Digital Agenda"<br>
>> <a href="http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/10/581&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en" target="_blank">http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/10/581&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en</a> <<a href="http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/10/581&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en" target="_blank">http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/10/581&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en</a>><br>
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>> Also, you will find below the EurActiv report which covers the release as well as positions from European Stakeholders, including ISOC.<br>
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