<div dir="ltr"><div>Bill,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thank you for the document, seems good for the ITU just one question the ownership of document and rights issues need to be address.</div><div><br></div><div>Best Regards</div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 2 March 2010 09:58, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com">isolatedn@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<font color="#996633"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif"><div><font color="#996633"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif">Hello Bill Graham</font></font></font></div><div><font color="#996633"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</font></font></font></div><div><font color="#000000" face="arial"><font color="#996633" face="verdana, sans-serif">In the APNIC list, Geoff Huston responded to the thread <a href="http://archive.apnic.net/mailing-lists/apnic-talk/archive/2010/02/msg00015.html" target="_blank">http://archive.apnic.net/mailing-lists/apnic-talk/archive/2010/02/msg00015.html</a> with some very interesting observations:</font></font></div>
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<font color="#000000" face="arial"><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;border-collapse:collapse"><i>...over the 20th century ... national regimes addressed the social needs for broad access to a single functional telephone network via national monopolies , the ITU assumed... the role of being the monopolists club. Since many of these monopolies were publically owned and operated enterprises the role of governments and the role of the monopoly actors were closely aligned. ... the opposition was mainly from the US, but on the whole the ITU was tolerated given the lack of any viable alternative.</i></span></font></div>
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the ITU has been supremely irrelevant to th [Internet] business models. ... I find it ironic that the latest efforts by the ITU to regain some degree of relevance ...have the ITU invoking the mantra of "competition!" From the supreme head of the former monopolist club that indeed is an ironic, and economically and politically speaking a naive and inept move on the part of the ITU.</i></span></font></div>
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<font color="#000000" face="arial"><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;border-collapse:collapse"><i>the ITU has been supremely irrelevant to th [Internet] business models. ... I find it ironic that the latest efforts by the ITU to regain some degree of relevance ...have the ITU invoking the mantra of "competition!" From the supreme head of the former monopolist club that indeed is an ironic, and economically and politically speaking a naive and inept move on the part of the ITU.</i></span></font></div>
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</i></span></font></div></font></font></font></blockquote><font color="#996633"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif"><div><font color="#000000" face="arial"><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;border-collapse:collapse">These observations could be incorporated in any communication from ISOC /ISOC Chapters to Governments.<br>
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<div><font color="#000000" face="arial"><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;border-collapse:collapse">Sivasubramanian Muthusamy</span></font></div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Bill Graham <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:graham@isoc.org" target="_blank">graham@isoc.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi Veni,<br>
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Well, it is not copyright, but it is marked for internal briefing purposes. If friendly governments happen to see them, and find them useful, they would be free to copy at will. As for quotes, the only quotes are from ITU documents available to Member States and Sector Members, so that should not be a problem.<br>
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Bill</font><div><div><br>
On 1-Mar-10, at 7:17 PM, Veni Markovski wrote:<br>
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Bill,<br>
what is the copyright status of the document, and of the quoted in the document documents?<br>
I mean, if a government wants to use them, parts of them, or portions, do they need to come to ask for agreement, or are they free of copyright?<br>
<br>
venii<br>
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On 3/1/2010 5:32 PM, Bill Graham wrote:<br>
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Please find the document in a friendlier format, as requested.<br>
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Also, I've had questions about ISOC's plans for the meeting, and can confirm that staff intend to be there. Yes, and I'm sure we will make a statement, along the lines in this briefing. The precise text will have to be developed on site, once we hear how the meeting is going.<br>
<br>
kin<br>
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