<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Veni, Franck, Shiva and others,<div><br></div><div>Many thanks for your contributions to this discussion. Rudi - I want to reply to you separately (which follows on from Veni's important point about helping each other, which I strongly support). Shiva following the online meeting with Sabrina and Rajnesh yesterday, we will reply to your posting separately. </div><div><br></div><div>I'll answer some specific points below with some specific answers. To Franck's general points:</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> 1) ISOC HQ should direct members first to existing chapters<br></blockquote></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Yes agreed. This *is* standard procedure. As I explained previously we omitted this step and it was not intentional. Please accept our apologies for this. </div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> 2) if ISOC members are willing to create a new chapter, then they<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> should get as much as possible the blessing of existing near by<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> chapters especially when the proposed chapter is in the area of a<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> previously chartered chapter.</blockquote></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes agreed. We are absolutely not interested to set up a conflicting situation between Chapters. That serves no-one. For clarification, the current policy places no restriction on how many Chapters can be created:</div><div> </div><div>from: <a href="http://www.isoc.org/isoc/chapters/policy/">http://www.isoc.org/isoc/chapters/policy/</a></div><div>"Chapters may be established
on a <b>non-exclusive</b> basis to serve the needs of any specific, cohesive
community of interest. Multiple Chapters serving overlapping communities
are not permitted."</div><div><br></div><div>The important point here is that the scope of the proposed Chapter must be sufficiently differentiated and not overlapping. We will (and do) work with both parties to ensure that is not the case. </div><div><br></div><div>I hope this explains some of our general procedures. As I said before we are working to revise the procedures and improve our current policy framework, so I will be reaching out to many of those that have posted and have an interest on this topic for help with this particular piece of work.</div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes</div><div>Anne</div><div>--</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>On 09/10/2009, at 5:48 AM, Veni Markovski wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>I share Franck's notes, and having the Bulgarian chapter in situations<br>with ISOC.org in the past, I feel Shiva may need more support from the<br>rest of us, while keeping the options for new chapters in India open.<br>After all, it is important to at least try to build good relations not<br>only between ISOC.org and the chapters but also between the chapters<br>in any given country.<br><br>Veni<br><br><br>On 10/8/09, Sabrina Wilmot <<a href="mailto:wilmot@isoc.org">wilmot@isoc.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Shiva,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">We will address your points below in our meeting with you scheduled<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">today and will send the outcome later to the list.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Regards,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Sabrina Wilmot<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Manager, Chapters & Individual Members<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Internet Society (ISOC) <a href="http://www.isoc.org">www.isoc.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On 10/8/2009 4:13 AM, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hello,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">In the list of members for the proposed Bangalore chapter the members'<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">organizational affiliations are not shown. Only one of the proposers has<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">identified himself as from Oracle India Business Center (which now<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">includes Sun Microsystems?)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The proposal for the Bangalore chapter is to cover the geographical area<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">"which includes (but is not limited to) Bangalore, Hyderabad, Pune,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Mumbai, Goa and nearby areas" The chennai chapter is chartered to cover<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the geographical regions of Tamilnadu (Chennai), Kerala, Andhra Pradesh<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">(Hyderabad) and Karnataka (Bangalore). The proposal for Bangalore is to<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">split away 75 out of our 120 members.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Are we to become a chapter of 45 members from being a chapter of 120<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">members? Are we to abandon all work being planned in Bangalore? Should I<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">go back to the chapter list to say that those from other regions have to<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">join the Bangalore chapter? (It wouldn't make sense if those from<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Bangalore continue with the Chennai chapter, if the Bangalore proposal<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">is approved.)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">It would have been a natural progression if we waited till there is some<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">more activity at Bangalore and proposed on our own a chapter in<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Bangalore for the convenience of those in Bangalore. Instead this<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">application is received and being processed as if Bangalore is<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">completely unrelated to the Chennai chapter.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">A chapter in Bangalore is a good idea. A chapter is Hyderabad is a good<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">idea. Rammohan of Affilias and Rajesh Aggarwal of ISOC Delhi have said<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">this and I agree. But ISOC Chennai already includes Bangalore and<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hyderabad and why would anyone show an interest in altering the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">constitution of ISOC Chennai? This is not right.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Sivasubramanian Muthusamy<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Franck Martin <<a href="mailto:franck@avonsys.com">franck@avonsys.com</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><<a href="mailto:franck@avonsys.com">mailto:franck@avonsys.com</a>>> wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> I'm all for the creation of new chapters in India, but the whole<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> point of this discussion was that:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> 1) ISOC HQ should direct members first to existing chapters<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> 2) if ISOC members are willing to create a new chapter, then they<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> should get as much as possible the blessing of existing near by<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> chapters especially when the proposed chapter is in the area of a<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> previously chartered chapter.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Franck Martin<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> <a href="http://www.avonsys.com/">http://www.avonsys.com/</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> twitter: FranckMartin <<a href="http://twitter.com/FranckMartin">http://twitter.com/FranckMartin</a>><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> ----- Original Message -----<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> From: "Rajesh Aggarwal" <<a href="mailto:rajeshaggarwal.ias@gmail.com">rajeshaggarwal.ias@gmail.com</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> <<a href="mailto:rajeshaggarwal.ias@gmail.com">mailto:rajeshaggarwal.ias@gmail.com</a>>><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> To: "Anne Lord" <lord@isoc.org <<a href="mailto:lord@isoc.org">mailto:lord@isoc.org</a>>><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Cc: "Chapter Delegates" <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>>>, "naresh ajwani"<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> <naresh.ajwani@sifycorp.com <<a href="mailto:naresh.ajwani@sifycorp.com">mailto:naresh.ajwani@sifycorp.com</a>>>,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> chapter-support@isoc.org <<a href="mailto:chapter-support@isoc.org">mailto:chapter-support@isoc.org</a>><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 2:32:58 PM GMT +12:00 Fiji<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Application to form a Chapter in<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Bangalore, India<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Dear All,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> I fully support Ram Mohan's remarks regarding the need to have a<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> separate chapter for Bangalore. When we revived Delhi Chapter more<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> than a year ago, we had detailed discussions on this multiple<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Chapters issue from people from many walks of life and different<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> cities. Consensus was that rather than forming a single All India<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> ISOC Chapter, we should encourage "different flowers to bloom"- that<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> is, different Chapters in major Metros at least. I am sure that you<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> will soon receive Applications from Hyderabad and Mumbai- all of us<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> should encourage this rather than trying to throttle new ones from<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> coming up.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Rajesh Aggarwal,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> (earlier from NIXI, now moved on to new Assignment in Mumbai)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> _______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Chapter-delegates mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> <a href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> <<a href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> <a href="http://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/chapter-delegates">http://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/chapter-delegates</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">------------------------------------------------------------------------<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Chapter-delegates mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/chapter-delegates">http://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/chapter-delegates</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Chapter-delegates mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/chapter-delegates">http://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/chapter-delegates</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><br>-- <br>Sent from my mobile device<br>_______________________________________________<br>Chapter-delegates mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">Chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a><br>http://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/chapter-delegates<br></div></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div><div>---------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div>Anne Lord, Senior Manager <<a href="mailto:lord@isoc.org">lord@isoc.org</a>></div><div>Chapter & Individual Memberships <a href="http://www.isoc.org">http://www.isoc.org</a></div><div>Internet Society (ISOC) "The Internet is for everyone"</div><div>---------------------------------------------------------------------</div></div><div><br></div></div><br></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></div></body></html>