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Anne,<br>
Thanks for this. The one thing that I do feel kinship with Siva is
that he (as Chapter lead) did not get early notice on the Bangalore
situation - as you say below, that was an oversight, but it would
probably cause me heartburn if I was in the same situation.<br>
<br>
In any case, let's try to move forward - we learn from these; I'm
personally excited to see more chapters getting formed in India.<br>
<br>
-Ram<br>
<br>
Anne Lord wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:D06382A4-8E45-47D4-817C-1DD10B6B8FFB@isoc.org"
type="cite">Dear Colleagues,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks Ram, and everyone who has provided feedback on this
application. I have read all the emails and have a few clarifications
to make based on current procedures and practice as well as offering
some thoughts, first about the general case and then about this
particular application. Apologies for the length of this email. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1) Policies</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The current policy at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.isoc.org/isoc/chapters/policy/">http://www.isoc.org/isoc/chapters/policy/</a>
states the following about the "scope" of Chapters in point 3:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> "Chapters may be established on a non-exclusive basis to serve
the needs of any specific, cohesive community of interest. Multiple
Chapters serving overlapping communities are not permitted."</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Chapters are established on a non-exclusive basis, and providing
there is a not an overlapping scope, Chapters can (and do) exist in the
same area. For example, there are 6 Chapters in Spain (a Madrid
Chapter, a Spain Chapter, a Galicia Chapter, an Aragonese Chapter, a
Catalonia Chapter and an Asturias Chapter). </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It is probably useful to look at the purpose of Chapters. The
policy is sufficiently flexible to allow different formats of Chapters
to exist and co-exist (from which ISOC derives much of its strength):</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> "Chapters of the Internet Society are expected to serve the
interests of a segment of the global Internet community in a manner
consistent with the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.isoc.org/isoc/mission/principles/">mission and
principles of the Internet Society</a>. Through a presence local to
its community of interest, a Chapter focuses on issues and developments
important to its community. A Chapter recognizes, honours, and uses the
culture, customs, and language of its community. Every Chapter shall
have an explicit statement of purpose.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Clearly this needs to be interpreted with some sensitivity and
no two cases are alike but providing that needs are being met and the
work and mission of the Internet Society is being advanced in a
meaningful way, city based, regional and national Chapters can happily
co-exist.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Finally, a member can become a member of any other Chapter as
they choose. No one Chapter has a "right" to a member. An individual
chooses the one that matches their interests most closely. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>2) Procedures</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>When we receive a Chapter application where there is already a
Chapter operating we attempt to direct the applicant to the existing
Chapter as a first response. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>3) This application</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For the reasons that Ram outlines, and based on other feedback
in the region, we feel that the proposed Chapter and the existing
Chapter have a sufficiently large population (5 million and 7 million
respectively), cultural identity and linguistic considerations to
warrant separate Chapters. However in this case, there was probably
some oversight on our part in notifying the Chennai Chapter earlier in
the process for which we apologise. We will also take steps to ensure
that the scope is sufficiently different and will work with both groups
to reach an agreement. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>As a side note..I have indicated in earlier messages that an
important piece of work is to revise the Policy framework for Chapters.
Some excellent preliminary work has already been done in the Sphere
Labels group, and this work will soon be developed further with the
help of Peggy Hoffman to help us build a revised policy framework for
the "Chapter of the Future". If you are interested in joining this
discussion and helping out, please send email to <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chapter-support@isoc.org">chapter-support@isoc.org</a>>
to be added to the sphere-labels mailing list. We will also be reaching
out soon to reach individuals that help reflect the diversity of the
Chapters that make up the Internet Society.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>As always, feedback and suggestions are very welcome on, or off
list.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best wishes,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Anne</div>
<div>--</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div>On 29/09/2009, at 8:54 AM, Ram Mohan wrote:</div>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> I support this application.
Chennai (pop. 7 million) and Bangalore (pop. 5 million) are two large
metros, and would potentially draw from completely different sets of
members. A person from Bangalore would _not_ reasonably identify
themselves as belonging to the "Chennai" region. The main language
spoken in Chennai (Tamil) is different from that spoken in Bangalore
(Kannada). A little known fact might be that in pre-independent India
(pre 1947), these were separate kingdoms.<br>
<br>
ISOC would be well advised to take into consideration the cultural,
linguistic and political tinderbox by calling Bangalore a part of the
Chennai region.<br>
<br>
In North American terms, it would be the equivalent of trying to say
that Washington DC & New York should merge chapters because they
are in the Northeast region of the USA. Sébastien's proposal of one
ISOC chapter per country reads to me (in Indian terms) roughly as: "We
should only have ISOC-EU because all states in the EU are part of the
EU."<br>
<br>
Siva's case would be bolstered if ISOC Chennai changed its charter and
focused on being a regional organization. But in its current avatar,
it is recognized as ISOC <u>Chennai</u> and as a result will be
constrained more by its geographic selection of the metropolitan region
of Chennai.<br>
<br>
-Ram<br>
<br>
Sabrina Wilmot wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:4AB22A40.7000606@isoc.org" type="cite">Dear
Colleagues, <br>
<br>
The following application for a Chapter in Bangalore, India, has been
received. It is being sent to this list for peer comment and review. <br>
<br>
Please note that the Chapter is not yet formed and has not officially
been recognised by ISOC. <br>
<br>
If there are people on this list that know the individuals proposing to
establish the Chapter, feedback is especially welcome. <br>
<br>
~~~~ For the Chapter delegates attending the INET conference in Delhi
today, you can meet Mr. Manish Chauhan here. I know some of you did
already. ~~~~ <br>
<br>
The period allowed for comments is two weeks and the deadline is 2
October 2009. <br>
<br>
Please do not hesitate to contact me on or off list. <br>
<br>
Best regards, <br>
Sabrina Wilmot <br>
ISOC <br>
<br>
PS: Please note that private contact information has been removed from
the application below but is on file with ISOC. <br>
<br>
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Chapter Application for ‘Bangalore Chapter of the Internet Society’ <br>
<br>
A. Proposed name of the Chapter <br>
The chapter will be known as "Bangalore Chapter of Internet Society". <br>
<br>
B. Community of Interest the Chapter will serve <br>
This Chapter will serve persons who live or work in the geographic area
which includes (but is not limited to) Bangalore, Hyderabad, Pune,
Mumbai, Goa and nearby areas on a non-exclusive basis. <br>
<br>
C. Purpose and Scope of Chapter <br>
Mission: "To assure the beneficial, open evolution of the global
Internet and its related internetworking technologies through
leadership in standards, issues, and education.". <br>
<br>
Objectives- <br>
1) To provide the leadership, vision, and advocacy efforts necessary to
educate the public and engender a healthy and receptive environment to
Digital Convergence in the Bangalore Area. <br>
2) To provide broad-based representation of the Indian Internet
community both nationally and internationally. <br>
3) To provide a service for the benefit of the community generally by
enabling individuals, groups, and organisations to use the Internet
effectively for communication, collaboration, education, and innovation
without any discrimination on the basis of race, color, sex, language,
religion, political or other opinion, social origin, property, birth or
other status and to provide information, assistance, archives, and
other relevant resources for Indian Internet users. <br>
4) To give expression to the viewpoint of Indian Internet users to
business, industry, the government, the media, and society in general,
by providing information and promoting education. <br>
5) To affiliate with other Indian Internet-focused organisations for
co-ordination, collaboration and education in order to further the
objectives of the Society. <br>
6) To promote, facilitate, and conduct research relating to the
Internet and internetworking. <br>
7) To develop and maintain formal and informal relationships with the
international Internet community. <br>
<br>
D. Founding Members of the Chapter <br>
The Bangalore Chapter of the Internet Society is being initiated by the
following 3 founding members: <br>
1> (Mr.) Manish Chauhan <br>
Affiliation: Global Member, ISOC. <br>
Currently: Member of Technical Staff, Oracle India Development Center <br>
(Bangalore) <br>
2> (Ms.) Swati Pandey <br>
Affiliation: Global Member, ISOC <br>
3> (Mr.) Abhinav Asthana <br>
Affiliation: Global Member, ISOC <br>
<br>
E. List of Supporters <br>
Below is a list of 28 Global Members of ISOC (with their contact
information and other details) who belong to Bangalore or nearby areas
and who are in support of setting up the "Bangalore Chapter of the
Internet Society ". Each member in this list has been contacted
individually and has expressed interest in volunteering for and
actively supporting ISOC activities in the region. With time, we plan
to select representative members from organisations having a membership
count <br>
greater than 5. For ex: A chapter member belonging to Cisco Bangalore
maybe selected to serve as a representative for all the chapter members
hailing from Cisco Bangalore. On similar lines company/organisation
representatives, for the chapter will be selected for other
organisations (Oracle, Intel, Yahoo etc.). <br>
<br>
Manish Chauhan <br>
Swati Pandey <br>
Abhinav Asthana <br>
Amandeep Uppal <br>
Vikas Coca <br>
Govinda Upadhyay <br>
Tanmay Sarkar <br>
Saravanakumar Sr. <br>
Dinesh Garg <br>
Ohmkaar Kambhampati <br>
Praveen Garg <br>
Natarajan Bharathwaj <br>
Sumit Agarwal <br>
Kushal Agarwal <br>
Lokesh Harnal <br>
Crishna Carthik <br>
Sachin Vijayachandran <br>
Dhruv Mittal <br>
Amit Agarkhed <br>
Abhimanyu Vatsya <br>
Sivaraman Siddharth <br>
Chetan Bansal <br>
Abhishek Johri <br>
Rakesh Ganatra <br>
Vikaas Goel <br>
Gautam Partap <br>
Yogesh Kansal <br>
Rohit Oberoi <br>
<br>
F. List of Requirements <br>
There are no special statutory or regulatory requirements for
instituting a chapter of the Internet Society in Bangalore .This has
been verified by contacting the officials of other chapters in India <br>
(Delhi). <br>
<br>
G. Additional Information <br>
Bangalore and ISOC: <br>
<br>
We already have ISOC chapters in Delhi, Kolkata and Chennai but the
south west part of India doesn’t has any chapter as yet, which includes
some major Industrial and Technology hubs like Bangalore, Hyderabad,
Mumbai and Pune. <br>
<br>
India is a developing country with the world’s second largest
population of 100 millions. Despite being an IT hub more than half of
its population still lives in villages and has no access to computers <br>
and internet. The challenges of improving Internet growth are
multifaceted and interrelated, particularly in developing countries.
They include, for example, access to technical skills and knowledge,
the regulatory and policy environment for information and
telecommunications services, and broader economic and market factors,
language diversity, and the diffusion and reliability of basic
infrastructures and services. <br>
<br>
Being the IT hub and the most developed city of India Bangalore becomes
an obvious choice for opening a chapter. Bangalore is called the
Silicon Valley of India because of the large number of information
technology companies located in the city which contributed 33% of
India's Rs. 144,214 crore (US$ 31 billion) IT exports in 2006-07. It
has been recently declared as the India’s leading IT exporter and which
is India's third most populous city and fifth-most populous urban
agglomeration and is also a home to some of the most well-recognized
colleges, research institutions, Numerous public sector heavy
industries, software companies, aerospace, telecommunications, and
defense organizations. <br>
<br>
In recent years, these attributes have propelled Bangalore to the
forefront of the high-tech industry boom in India. It has also been
ranked as one of the world's fastest growing urban areas. <br>
A chapter at Bangalore can serve the community in a much better way by
providing a better platform on both national and international level. <br>
<br>
Other Information: <br>
<br>
1>As soon as the chapter is chartered, ISOC Bangalore chapter will
have a state of the art web portal within a month. <br>
<br>
2>Bangalore chapter of the internet society plans to host an annual
All India cyber security essay competition. <br>
<br>
3>This draft of the chapter petition and the Bylaws submitted with
this application was circulated amongst and ratified by the 28 ISOC
Global members who are initiating the Bangalore Chapter. As and when
the chapter is chartered and more members join in, the bylaws will be
re-debated among the members present in the first meeting of the
chapter and any changes subsequently notified to the ISOC. <br>
<br>
4>We expect the membership of the chapter to grow over 500 within
the initial few months itself. <br>
<br>
H. Your Contact Information <br>
(Mr.) Manish Chauhan [ Global Member, ISOC] <br>
<br>
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