Hello Alejandro,<br><br>I don't ever feel ashamed to say "I don't know" in matters that complex about which I possibly can not know it all.<br><br>I don't know.<br><br>What I have proposed is a 'proposal', and a proposal gets a little discussed to be taken up or thrown away, or modified in parts to shaped into something workable. I am not rigid in what I have said about how we should take part - We take part as a chapter or leave it entirely to ISOC HQ, who could work on this at the Executive level or ask all chapters / some chapters to be involved or may decide to leave this completely out of ISOC's purview, in which case other independent initiatives such as the One Web Day could do a bit of work.<br>
<br>Frank Martin has brought up the issue of Taiwan, on which there is a fundamental disagreement. I am vaguely aware of some background on this, but what I have proposed is to adopt the attitude "We agree that we disagree, and continue talking"<br>
<br>The preferential press coverage is a separate issue that we need to examine and analyze separately.<br><br>Thank You.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 3:46 AM, Alejandro Pisanty <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:apisan@servidor.unam.mx">apisan@servidor.unam.mx</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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the relationshipo with the Internet Society of China has a long, complex history. Over time the best approach taht has worked is to delegate fully its management to ISOC HQ, who have done an esteemable job of this complex, sometimes ungrateful task.<br>
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Franck has mentioned some of the complexities - relationships with other organizations in many countries, etc. - in which even a minor gaffe can complicate things that are otherwise well-managed.<br>
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Each will arrive to different conclusions. Mine is to communicate bottom-up within ISOC any change someone may desire but still leave the responsibility where it presently resides.<br>
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2009, Franck Martin wrote:<br>
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:57:42 +1200 (FJT)<br>
From: Franck Martin <<a href="mailto:franck@avonsys.com" target="_blank">franck@avonsys.com</a>><br>
To: WWWhatsup <<a href="mailto:joly@punkcast.com" target="_blank">joly@punkcast.com</a>><br>
Cc: George Sadowsky <<a href="mailto:george.sadowsky@gmail.com" target="_blank">george.sadowsky@gmail.com</a>>,<br>
chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] An occasion to congratulate and commit<br>
support to an initiative that is not part of ISOC....<br>
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Well as we have a chapter in Taiwan and as we want chapters to commit to packet freedom...<br>
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There are a few things they cannot sign unto.<br>
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However, I see ISC being more visible than ISOC on many domains. Is it because the press loves to bash China? or...<br>
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Note that we have a board member from China NIC.<br>
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Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] An occasion to congratulate and commit support to an initiative that is not part of ISOC....<br>
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I could be wrong but I'm under the impression that there was an extended engagement in the 90s after<br>
which, ultimately, the Chinese decided to go their own way - the 'Internet Society of China' being a quasi-government<br>
run body as much concerned with control as propagation. I do remember receiving a delegation here in NYC at the time,<br>
very polite and non-committal.<br>
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I've cc'd George Sadowsky - perhaps he could enlighten us?<br>
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joly<br>
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At 03:39 PM 1/8/2009, you wrote:<br>
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Hello<br>
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Joly MacFie posted this message in One Web Day with a disclaimer. His message is about the Netizen Cultural Festival to be organized in Beijing. Perhaps this would be an occasion to congratulate the 'Internet Society' of China and encourage them? We may eventually have to ask them in a nice way to name their organization a bit differently and/or welcome them to be a part of ISOC, but now this is an occasion for ISOC to congratulate them?<br>
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