On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 4:36 AM, Franck Martin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:franck@sopac.org">franck@sopac.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">What would you and others suggest ISOC should do to save the titanic?</div></div></blockquote><div><br>Vocally advocate the return of unneeded/unused IPv4 addresses and the adoption of IPv6. We all need to be shouting this from soap boxes as loudly as we can. IMHO, this should be the extent of ISOC's stance, other than possibly pointing to the IETF's technical solutions that are in progress.<br>
~Chris<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
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<div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond" <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>><br>To: "Chris Grundemann" <<a href="mailto:cgrundemann@gmail.com" target="_blank">cgrundemann@gmail.com</a>>, "John Schnizlein" <<a href="mailto:schnizlein@isoc.org" target="_blank">schnizlein@isoc.org</a>><br>
Cc: "Chapter Delegates" <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>><br>Sent: Saturday, 25 October, 2008 9:36:47 PM (GMT+1100) Auto-Detected<br>
Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] scarcity of IPv4 addresses<br><br>
<div><font face="Arial">Hello Chris,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">My replies inline below:</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial"></font><br>If members of this list are interested, I can
compile a fairly long list of reference material and documentation of the
views of folks on both sides of this issue. To start with, this decision
tree may be helpful to some who have not spent as much time thinking about
this issue yet as others have: <a href="http://odin.chrisgrundemann.com/files/Do_I_Support_A_Liberalized_Transfer_Policy.jpg.%20" target="_blank">http://odin.chrisgrundemann.com/files/Do_I_Support_A_Liberalized_Transfer_Policy.jpg.
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<div><font face="Arial">Very interesting indeed! Thanks for your flowchart!</font></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Thank you. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div><font face="Arial">However, have we not spent too much time on this, when our
efforts should go towards promoting IPv6 migration, in any way possible
(penalise IPv4, subsidise IPv6, promote v6 over v4 financially, restrict v4
allocation, reclaim v4 addresses and park/decommission them, etc.)?</font></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Actually I agree, I think that the focus on an IP market has detracted from other efforts that would have much more of an impact, especially in concert.<br>
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<div><font face="Arial">As Randy Bush said on the ARIN Public Policy Mailing
List:</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">"there is a serious brick wall looming in the
headlights."</font></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>I liked Tom Vest's reply to Randy:<br> "A wise driver might consider braking and turning instead...."<br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div><font face="Arial">and David Conrad also mentioned on the Global-v6 list at
APNIC:</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial"><font face="Times New Roman">"However, given the way RIR
policy definition works, I don't believe <br>there is sufficient time to
establish the necessary consensus for any <br>policy that would
significantly affect the outcome to be instituted. <br>As I
mentioned to someone privately, the Titanic is too big and moving <br>too
fast to avoid the iceberg..."</font></font></div><font face="Arial"></font>
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<div><font face="Arial">In my opinion, we are wasting too much time on everything
else.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Would ISOC be able to save the Titanic? Would it want
to?</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">O.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">-- <br>Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond, Ph.D<br>Global
Information Highway Ltd<br><a href="http://www.gih.com/ocl.html" target="_blank">http://www.gih.com/ocl.html</a>
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