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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Siva and Alejandro,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I wonder if anyone has listened to top management
folks in the past regarding the fact that ICANN never claimed to be an Internet
Governance organization.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>After all, their name is Internet Corporation for
Assigned NAMES and NUMBERS!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If Jon Postel were still with us, I wonder how well
is considered opinion would be received...</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=isolatedn@gmail.com href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com">Sivasubramanian
Muthusamy</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=apisan@servidor.unam.mx
href="mailto:apisan@servidor.unam.mx">Alejandro Pisanty</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org>"><chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 15, 2008 02:46</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Chapter-delegates] ISOC
joins panel discussing future ofglobal Internet regulation</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>Hello Alejandro Pisanty,<BR><BR>Reply at #<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Alejandro Pisanty
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:apisan@servidor.unam.mx">apisan@servidor.unam.mx</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Siva,<BR><BR>IMO
there is no single authoritative, relevant, high-quality online forum for
this discussion.<BR><BR>There are a number of specialized discussion lists -
a large number of examples exists under the ICANN umbrella, for instance,
and some of the discussions are well worth reading and even
participating.</BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>ICANN's lists are authentic and businesslike but seem to be focussed on
names and issues related to names. The issues related to names are
merely a fraction of the overall tasks facing Internet Governance. The overall
task is monumental and there is so much to be discussed.<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><BR><BR>There
are a number of online discussions related to the IGF which in my view have
proven repeatedly to be problematic in many ways. While considerations of
bias and lack of tolerance to diversity of opinions may be subjective, some
of these forums have proven objectively and explicitly to have frank and
open opposition to membership and access to leadership positions by people
related to organizations which ISOC supports (even if critically, but then
the critique is open and does not interfere with the support.)</BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>In various mailing lists the magnitude of the task of Governance
often goes out of view. This apart, the constitution of the lists are not a
balanced, and the groups are not heterogeneous to represent various interests
in a balanced manner. Membership in several lists are not large enough
to be taken to represent the views of the Internet Community. The discussions
are steered in a certain way with little tolerance to views that would bring
about a balance. </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><BR><BR>OTOH
we do have this delegates list for discussion among a very broad set of
viewpoints, and further there is the members' discussion list.<BR><BR>We as
chapter delegates should feel the obligation to take many of our discussions
to the membership list, as their conclusions are certain to be of interest
to a broader community. Further, to the best I can remember, there is
specifically a list for policy discussion among ISOC members.</BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR># The chapter delegates list, the General Members list and any
specialized lists related to policy are definitely forums that should open
topics/ threads related to various issues. However it may not be too
appropriate for the ISOC list to discuss issues that are potentially
politicized . ISOC has to remain apolitical and neutral.<BR><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><BR>So,
shoot, start a question either here or there and surely the discussion will
not be boring.</BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>Yes I have done that. <BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><BR><BR>I
already notice your question on Google, blogging, and India, so you may
yourself have decided that this is indeed a good path to follow.</BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>Thanks, I will start blogging and raise some questions at
Linked In and elsewhere. We at ISOC Chennai, as an independant chapter
can also think of setting up a moderated public forum at the chapter website
to explore if we can get bloggers and students from around India to take part
in discussions on Internet Governance..We have some student members with
interest in webdesign helping with the chapter website is now online at
<A href="http://isocindiachennai.in">http://isocindiachennai.in</A>. The idea
of a forum is a local project but the forums need not necessarily be closed
for participation from general public from outside India. At least this would
create some local awareness related to the Internet Governance to be held in
India in December and would help a little bit in ensuring diversity of
participation.<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><BR><BR>Yours,
<DIV class=Ih2E3d><BR><BR>Alejandro Pisanty<BR><BR><BR>. . .
. . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . .
. . . .<BR> Dr. Alejandro
Pisanty<BR>UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico<BR><BR>Tels.
+52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732<BR><BR>*Mi blog/My blog: <A
href="http://pisanty.blogspot.com"
target=_blank>http://pisanty.blogspot.com</A><BR>*LinkedIn profile: <A
href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty"
target=_blank>http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty</A><BR>*Unete al grupo UNAM
en LinkedIn, <A href="http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614"
target=_blank>http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614</A><BR><BR>---->>
Unete a ISOC Mexico, <A href="http://www.isoc.org"
target=_blank>http://www.isoc.org</A><BR> Participa en ICANN, <A
href="http://www.icann.org" target=_blank>http://www.icann.org</A><BR>.
. . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . .<BR><BR><BR></DIV>On
Thu, 14 Aug 2008, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Date:
Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:04:31 +0530<BR>From: Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <<A
href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com"
target=_blank>isolatedn@gmail.com</A>><BR>To: Bill Graham <<A
href="mailto:graham@isoc.org" target=_blank>graham@isoc.org</A>><BR>Cc:
Alejandro Pisanty <<A href="mailto:apisan@servidor.unam.mx"
target=_blank>apisan@servidor.unam.mx</A>>,
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=Wj3C7c><BR> "<<A
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
target=_blank>chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</A>>" <<A
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
target=_blank>chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</A>><BR>Subject: Re:
[Chapter-delegates] ISOC joins panel discussing future of global<BR>
Internet regulation<BR><BR>Hello BIll Graham<BR><BR>What are the
most authentic forums and email lists that bring together<BR>important
members of the Internet Community where policy related to<BR>Governance
issues get influenced / shaped ?<BR><BR>Is there a possibility of ISOC
creating a Discussion Group / email list with<BR>invitations extended to
the balanced members of the Internet Community from<BR>within and outside
ISOC ?<BR><BR>Sivsubramanian Muthusamy<BR><BR>On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 7:46
PM, Bill Graham <<A href="mailto:graham@isoc.org"
target=_blank>graham@isoc.org</A>> wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Sure,
Alejandro, happy to. By the way, Anne has kindly mounted
the<BR>presentation on the Chapters site -- and I now know how to do
it<BR>myself ;-)<BR><BR>Most of this will be covered in the newsletter
in greater detail, but<BR>in general I would say my takeaways were as
follows:<BR><BR>-- Audience: US based lawyers are not surprisingly
interested in<BR>things that might affect their practices, largely by
offering them new<BR>lines of work. Their interest was therefore
largely to do with things<BR>that could end up in a court: fraud,
phishing, privacy, and protection<BR>of intellectual property rights.
Their questions focused on those<BR>items, as well as wondering
what if any new kinds of judicial or quasi-<BR>judicial bodies could
emerge (such as the Council of Europe convention<BR>on cybercrime, that
has an increasing number of non-European<BR>signatories -- see
<>).<BR><BR>-- Markus Kummer (IGF Secretariat): nothing new here,
but Markus<BR>believes IGF is setting new benchmarks for
multistakeholder engagement<BR>in what would previously have been
inter-governmental discussions. I<BR>think he is right, which is
one reason I think we in ISOC need to stay<BR>engaged with IGF directly,
but also with civil society and other<BR>groups in the Internet
community. Chapters will play an increasingly<BR>important role in
this as IGF-model meetings are now expanding at the<BR>regional,
national, and sub-national levels.<BR><BR>-- Paul Twomey (ICANN CEO):
concentrated on the introduction of new<BR>gTLDs, as a development of
obvious interest for the legal community.<BR>Beyond that, his comments
focused on the recent ICANN consultation on<BR>increasing institutional
confidence, based on the President's Strategy<BR>Committee report, and
ICANN's preparations for the end of the joint<BR>project agreement with
the US government. He also responded to<BR>questions about the
security weekness in the DNS revealed last week,<BR>and the importance
of DNSSEC.<BR><BR>-- Dick Beaird (US Department of State):
restated the United States<BR>government position on Internet
governance, and said that the 30 July<BR>statement from Meredith Baker
did not in any change the long standing<BR>positions growing out of the
original green and white papers of 1998.<BR>He also talked about the
ever-expanding importance of the Internet<BR>economy, and walked through
the outcomes of the OECD Ministerial<BR>meeting in Seoul last June.
You will recall that ISOC served the<BR>Internet technical
community by coordinating 17 organizations in<BR>preparation of our
memorandum to the ministers and of the preparation<BR>of the 1-day
Internet technical community forum.<BR><BR>So -- any new forces?
Not really, but I believe the Bar Association<BR>will be a more
prominent participant in future IGF meetings, and we<BR>can expect to
see them offering fact-based workshops. I would not say<BR>there
is anything else that could be seen as reshaping the debate, but<BR>then
an annual conference would not normally be a place for that
to<BR>happen. I believe, however, that it is important for ISOC to
take up<BR>invitations to events like this. We reached a new
audience with our<BR>long-established positions, created awareness of
our activities and<BR>the visibility of ISOC as a player and partner in
the Internet<BR>governance universe. And, as you will see in the
presentation, it<BR>provides an opportunity to educate a new audience
about the importance<BR>of the open, collaborative Internet model, while
drawing attention to<BR>our major strategic initiatives. There was
definite interest in the<BR>Trust and Identity MSI, as well as the
others. I hope it may attract<BR>new org members from the legal
community as well.<BR><BR>Best
regards<BR>Bill<BR>========================<BR>Bill Graham<BR>Global
Strategic Engagement<BR>The Internet Society<BR><A
href="mailto:graham@isoc.org" target=_blank>graham@isoc.org</A><BR>tel
+1.613.231.8543 or<BR> +1.703.439.2157<BR><BR><BR>On 13-Aug-08, at
9:02 PM, Alejandro Pisanty wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Bill,<BR><BR>and,
could you tell us in brief narrative what the event was like?<BR>Are
new forces visible that could reshape the debate, is there any<BR>sign
of upcoming progress, regression, or stalling?<BR><BR>I know the
question may be too naive or the answer too candid for<BR>public use
;-). But also I'm sure that many of our chapters could<BR>use even a
very politically correct statement.<BR><BR>Alejandro
Pisanty<BR><BR><BR>. . . . . . .
. . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . .
.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE> .<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
Dr. Alejandro Pisanty<BR>UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510
Mexico DF Mexico<BR><BR>Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044,
+52-(1)-55-5418-3732<BR><BR>*Mi blog/My blog: <A
href="http://pisanty.blogspot.com"
target=_blank>http://pisanty.blogspot.com</A><BR>*LinkedIn profile: <A
href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty"
target=_blank>http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty</A><BR>*Unete al
grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><A
href="http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614"
target=_blank>http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614</A><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><BR>---->>
Unete a ISOC Mexico, <A href="http://www.isoc.org"
target=_blank>http://www.isoc.org</A><BR>Participa en ICANN, <A
href="http://www.icann.org"
target=_blank>http://www.icann.org</A><BR>. . . .
. . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . .
. . . . .<BR></BLOCKQUOTE> .<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><BR><BR>On
Wed, 13 Aug 2008, Bill Graham wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Date:
Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:01:17 -0400<BR>From: Bill Graham <<A
href="mailto:graham@isoc.org"
target=_blank>graham@isoc.org</A>><BR>To: WWWhatsup <<A
href="mailto:joly@punkcast.com"
target=_blank>joly@punkcast.com</A>><BR>Cc: "<<A
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
target=_blank>chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</A>>"
<<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><A
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"
target=_blank>chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</A><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>Subject:
Re: [Chapter-delegates] ISOC joins panel discussing future<BR>of
global<BR> Internet regulation<BR>Just FYI -- I will
get a copy of the presentation on the Chapters<BR>site<BR>as soon as
I can educate myself as to how it works! I've also<BR>prepared
a story for this month's newsletter.<BR><BR>Bill<BR><BR>On
13-Aug-08, at 2:47 PM, WWWhatsup wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><BR><BR>I'm
sorry. This escaped my notice. I would've gone and<BR>videotaped
had I known.<BR><BR>joly<BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Hello<BR><BR>Can
you post the presentations / proceedings of this meeting on
the<BR>internet for us all to read ?<BR><BR>Sivasubramanian
Muthusamy<BR>India Chennai<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">The
event "The Internet - How It is Governed Today and How
it<BR>May Be<BR>Governed Tomorrow: A VIP Panel Discusses the
Internet Governance<BR>Forum of<BR>the United Nations and the
Global Debate About the Control and<BR>Future of
the<BR>Internet" will be held by the American Bar Association
(ABA) in<BR>New York<BR>City on Saturday 9 August
2008.<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>---------------------------------------------------------------<BR>
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