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Before you do what you state, you need resources, to have resources you
need structures.<br>
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Who will pay for all of you are suggesting? The ICANN is only
sponsoring representation, and this is not with a bunch of volunteers
(with no money) that you will tackle these issues.<br>
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Beside, how many registrant go through the ALAC process at the moment?
They prefer to complain to their governments or directly to ICANN. It
is only when you have problem that you join the process... or
criticise without adding value.<br>
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Cheers<br>
<br>
Danny Younger wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Patrick,
I am equally convinced that self-interest is
motivating this participatory exercise rather than
concern for the at-large community. I see no
provisions in the EURALO MOU or other pertinent
documents that guard against capture by a
self-interested faction. ISOC chapters now constitute
eight out of the 17 At-Large Structures in Europe. Get
one more to join and you will have effectively
captured the process.
Meanwhile, this EURALO does not provide any voting
rights to individuals, the very people that it
purportedly represents, and in fact has provisions to
prevent any individual not affiliated with an
organization from being elected as a representative.
As far as I am concerned, ALAC members (including the
new ones) don't have the interests of the average
registrant/user at heart. The people behind this
initiative are civil society types that would rather
argue the nuances of internet government theory than
roll up their sleeves and tackle the operational
issues that affect the rest of us.
Sorry, but I've heard the essence of your remarks too
often without seeing results. The constant refrain
has been, we need more time, we need more outreach, we
need more funding, we need this, we need that, we have
new members that need to get up to speed, we need to
formalize our rules, we need to set up a new website,
and another and another (the ALAC now has 5 websites
and two dozen non-productive lists), etc. etc. etc...
In the meantime, problems are not getting fixed.
Research isn't being conducted, working groups aren't
being formed. But all of you are ready to charge down
to Rio for the IGF.
Sorry, but as much as you would like to believe that
you are the at-large, you are not. You are
well-meaning organizations that should be signed up
instead within ICANN's Non-Commercial Constituency.
You don't represent us or those that previously
elected Andy-Mueller Maguhn to serve on the Board.
The At-large is more than a few Civil Society
organizations. We are the people whose very
livelihoods can be destroyed by the failure of a
single registrar. We can't risk having those without
a passion for our interests pretend to represent us --
the stakes are too high.
--- Patrick Vande Walle <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patrick@vande-walle.eu"><patrick@vande-walle.eu></a>
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<pre wrap="">Danny,
I noticed your concern about the lack of past
achievements of the
ALAC. Altjoigh our chapter has been an ALS for 3
years, it has only
been the last 6 top 9 months that we were given the
necessary tools to
actively paticipate. This is the case for most
RALOs. Hence, I guess the
blame should not be on us, but rather on the "old
guard.
This is why I pointed out that there will be many
new people on the
committee in the coming months. I am pretty
confident that both the
RALOs and the renewed ALAC will strive to make the
process work and
deliver the content in the future.
Danny Younger wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Patrick,
Please take note of the letter I just sent to the
North American At-Large list:
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