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<p>That's true. The phrases "technology neutrality" and "regulate like services alike" have done a lot of damage--and led to the extension of regulation onto various Internet services (including VoIP).<br>
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Rather than talk about "Net Neutrality," I much prefer to focus on the ISOC terms: "openness" and "end-to-end" and "innovation"<br>
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<tt>Mike,<br>
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thanks a lot for this shift of focus.<br>
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Something many Internet people do not like at all is that in many <br>
countries and contexts, mention of "neutrality" immediately starts the <br>
regulators thinking "voice is voice" with a well-known damage to all <br>
things VoIP.<br>
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Alejandro Pisanty<br>
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UNAM, Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico<br>
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On Tue, 16 May 2006, Michael R Nelson wrote:<br>
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> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 08:50:50 -0400<br>
> From: Michael R Nelson <mrn@us.ibm.com><br>
> To: isoc Delegates Chapter <chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org>,<br>
> chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org, fred@cisco.com,<br>
> shears@isoc.org, Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com><br>
> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] ISOC Board next meeting -- NET NEUTRALITY<br>
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> I see several problems with focusing just on "Net neutrality." First off,<br>
> the term is much more popular in the US than elsewhere. Second, the term<br>
> is defined in at least four different ways. Third, when you use the phrase<br>
> "Net neutrality," the debate automatically turns to the question of whether<br>
> regulation is needed to specify the architecture and interconnection rules<br>
> for the Internet.<br>
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> I believe it's far more important to ensure "Network choice" and foster<br>
> competition. If there is vigorous competition between ISPs, telcos, and<br>
> cable companies, then Net neutrality will be the market result (and<br>
> legislation won't be needed).<br>
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> I'd rather see ISOC write a paper or take a position on "Telecom<br>
> Competition: Ensuring Net Neutrality and Network Choice"<br>
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> That also puts more focus on user needs (rather than the needs of Google,<br>
> Yahoo, and other content creators).<br>
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> Michael R. Nelson<br>
> Director, Internet Technology and Strategy<br>
> IBM Corporation<br>
> and<br>
> Vice President, Policy<br>
> Internet Society<br>
> 1301 K St., N.W., Suite 1200<br>
> Washington, DC 20005<br>
> 202-515-5137<br>
> cell 703-598-5187<br>
> mrn@us.ibm.com<br>
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> Steve Crocker<br>
> <steve@shinkuro.c<br>
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> Sent by: shears@isoc.org<br>
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> -bounces@elists.i isoc Delegates Chapter<br>
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> Re: [Chapter-delegates] ISOC Board<br>
> 05/16/2006 08:10 next meeting -- NET NEUTRALITY<br>
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> Matthew,<br>
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> This works for me. Thanks.<br>
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> Steve<br>
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> Steve Crocker<br>
> steve@shinkuro.com<br>
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> Try Shinkuro's collaboration technology. Visit www.shinkuro.com. I<br>
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> On May 16, 2006, at 8:07 AM, shears@isoc.org wrote:<br>
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>> Steve, Gene, all,<br>
>><br>
>> Many thanks for kicking this off. I would like to move this<br>
>> discussion<br>
>> over to the memberpubpol list and build upon it.<br>
>><br>
>> I shall carry this thread over and look forward, as Steve says, to a<br>
>> "careful, informed discussion and consideration of what ISOC might<br>
>> usefully do in this area."<br>
>><br>
>> I will also post some interesting links as much has been written on<br>
>> this<br>
>> issue and encourage others to do so.<br>
>><br>
>> Best.<br>
>><br>
>> Matthew<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: "Steve Crocker" <steve@shinkuro.com><br>
>> Sent: Tue, May 16, 2006 13:11<br>
>> To: "isoc Delegates Chapter" <chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org><br>
>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] ISOC Board next meeting -- NET<br>
>> NEUTRALITY<br>
>><br>
>> As an outgoing board member I've been inclined to be reticent, but<br>
>> this particular issue resonates very strongly with me. When the U.S.<br>
>> Supreme Court decided last year that major providers could control<br>
>> the content of what's delivered over their pipes, on the theory that<br>
>> competition existed, I came to the conclusion that this is indeed an<br>
>> important issue and one that is very appropriate for ISOC to support.<br>
>><br>
>> I've said this in private but haven't spent much time pushing on it,<br>
>> and I applaud the discussion here. I think this is a very good time<br>
>> to raise this, and I strongly support having a careful, informed<br>
>> discussion and consideration of what ISOC might usefully do in this<br>
>> area.<br>
>><br>
>> Steve<br>
>><br>
>> Steve Crocker<br>
>> steve@shinkuro.com<br>
>><br>
>> Try Shinkuro's collaboration technology. Visit www.shinkuro.com. I<br>
>> am steve!shinkuro.com.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On May 16, 2006, at 6:46 AM, Gene Gaines wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO RECOMMENDING TO THE ISOC BOARD OF<br>
>>> TRUSTEES THAT A POSITION ON "INTERNET NETWORK NEUTRALITY"<br>
>>> BE GIVEN HIGH PRIORITY?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Alan, thanks for the good statement from Wikipedia (below),<br>
>>> hope to hear more from you.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Gene Gaines<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Tuesday, May 16, 2006, 3:09:24 AM, Alan wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Gene,<br>
>>><br>
>>>> On 15 May 2006, at 6:08 PM, Gene Gaines wrote:<br>
>>>>> I wish to propose an item to be discussed: NETWORK NEUTRALITY.<br>
>>><br>
>>>> I support this in terms of the article </tt><tt><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/</a></tt><tt><br>
>>>> Network_neutrality<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Veni asked for steps, I suggest that a position statement in support<br>
>>>> of this principle will be a great start. Wikipedia mentions<br>
>>>> "Neutrality as law:<br>
>>>> Net neutrality has been instantiated into law in many countries,<br>
>>>> including the United Kingdom, South Korea, and Japan. In the United<br>
>>>> States, there are no laws that instantiate net neutrality as a<br>
>>>> telecommunications standard. Many advocates, however, have spoken<br>
>>>> loudly on its behalf. This, combined with worries over favoritism by<br>
>>>> telecoms, prompted Congress to begin hearings on the subject."<br>
>>><br>
>>>>> For discussion... Perhaps organizations that take positions<br>
>>>>> against this vision should not be permitted to be ISOC members?<br>
>>>>> Comments?<br>
>>><br>
>>>> ISOC-ZA has no organisations as members. Organisations (business and<br>
>>>> government) are supporters of our projects, and partners, but as<br>
>>>> civil society we have a policy against this, in case of private<br>
>>>> interest conflicting with the community.<br>
>>><br>
>>>> I apologise for my lack of participation in the past few months, we<br>
>>>> have had some mail issues.<br>
>>><br>
>>>> warm regards,<br>
>>><br>
>>>> aLan<br>
>>>> ISOC-ZA<br>
>>><br>
>>>>> On Thursday, May 11, 2006, 7:07:03 AM, Franck wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> To all ISOC members,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> The next board of Trustees from ISOC will be on the 1st July<br>
>>>>>> 2006 in<br>
>>>>>> Marrakesh. You can read the previous minutes of the board and its<br>
>>>>>> past<br>
>>>>>> resolutions on the ISOC web site. To submit an item to be<br>
>>>>>> discussed by<br>
>>>>>> the board it must be submitted by a trustee at least 4 weeks<br>
>>>>>> before the<br>
>>>>>> board. As trustees, we would like to know from you before the end<br>
>>>>>> of the<br>
>>>>>> month of May, if there is any specific topic you would like us to<br>
>>>>>> discuss<br>
>>>>>> at the board.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Sincerely,<br>
>>>>>> Franck, Patrick & Veni<br>
>>>>><br>
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