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<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=887061122-18022006>I understand
your frustration but, on the other hand, you know that
p</SPAN><SPAN class=887061122-18022006>eople involved with chapters or
ISOC staff working with chapters were part of evaluation committee.
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=887061122-18022006><FONT face=Arial size=2>I applaud your
suggestion that Latino American chapters should
co-ordinate projects to augment your chances to get funding. I
think this will will also allow to work together, exchange
experiences and capacities for the benefit of the
region.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=887061122-18022006><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=887061122-18022006><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regarding
the ISOC contribution to the IGF, I also support this
this decision. It is important because ISOC has decided
between to participate or get isolated of the IGF. So,
it decided to contribute.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=887061122-18022006><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=887061122-18022006><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is
also true that ISOC has increased the fund to $ USD 200,000 for
funding projects during 2006, I hope this amount will still increase in the
next few years.. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=887061122-18022006><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=887061122-18022006></SPAN><SPAN class=887061122-18022006><FONT
face=Arial size=2>My advice for all chapters applying for funds, please
read/follow well the instructions for submitting projects available on-line
as some projects could be good on scope but did not fulfil all
requirements or vice versa so they simple reduce their chances to be
selected.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=887061122-18022006><FONT face=Arial size=2>Finally, the
chapter of Geneva has not submit any project for funding or does not
get any privilege from central office only because is located in
Geneva.</FONT></SPAN></DIV></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=887061122-18022006><FONT face=Arial size=2>Saludos/
Rosa</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN class=887061122-18022006> </SPAN>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org
[mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces@elists.isoc.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Enrique
Arrieta Noguera<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 17 February 2006 20:47<BR><B>To:</B>
Carlos Vera<BR><B>Cc:</B> chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [Chapter-delegates] Chaper Delegates - ISOC is funing
IGF<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Carlos:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>"My concern is that people who
evaluate projects for funding seem not <BR>having time to understand the
proposed projects or proponents do not <BR>understand the concept of
evaluators for projects."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT color=#000000>I agree with
you Carlos. Maybe people on the evaluation committee don´t have the time or
the filling or maybe are culturally very distant from ISOC-Chapters goals and
needs. When people at a chapter prepare a proposal for funding, they put the
heart and soul on it and that is why we get so disappointed when our proposals
are not approved.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT color=#000000>Off course the
personal relationship does count. Maybe if you are in the evaluation committee
and you know me from a long time and know, for instance, about the
projects that the Colombian chapter have been working in from some time, we
speak the same mother tongue, like the same type of music and many other
common things, you might be tempted to vote for a YES on your committee on my
chapter proposal.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT color=#000000>This is the
reason why people from Chapters outside Washington and Genève should make an
effort to get into the BoT, and funding committees, so it gets more
diversified, and we get more to say at decision making
time.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT color=#000000>I would like to
take the opportunity to propose you and colleagues from other
Latin-American chapters to get together and talk to each other in order to
explore what type of projects we can work together to present a joint-chapters
proposal for the next round, in order to increase our approval
probabilities.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT color=#000000>Best
regards,</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT color=#000000>Enrique Arrieta
Noguera</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT
color=#000000>President</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT
color=#000000>ISOC-Colombia</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT color=#000000>Bogotá,
Colombia</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Carlos Vera Q" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:cvera@interactive.net.ec"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>cvera@interactive.net.ec</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "Desiree Miloshevic" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:dmiloshevic@afilias.info"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>dmiloshevic@afilias.info</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cc: "isoc Chapter Delegates" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:25
PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Chaper Delegates
- ISOC is funing IGF</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> Dear all:<BR>> <BR>> My concern is that people who evaluate
projects for funding seem not <BR>> having time to understand the proposed
projects or proponents do not <BR>> understand the concept of evaluators
for projects.<BR>> <BR>> We strongly believe in one project when propose
it. Most of the times we <BR>> see the same or similar project that seems
to work when proposed for one <BR>> chapter-country and seems not to work
(in evaluator mind) when proposed <BR>> for less developing chapters from
less developing countries. Simple <BR>> maths again, count funds for
projects and where they go.<BR>> <BR>> For most of us is almost
impossible participate in events or <BR>> international meetings because of
lack of funds..and this increase our <BR>> gap between members or with
others members. All our work is on line, <BR>> from our room or closet.
Funds should be used to empower chapters to <BR>> create virtuoso circles.
Is not a mystery that a good proposal is better <BR>> if you have friends
inside evaluation teams. So a good opportunity comes <BR>> if you meet
people and share experiences with them.<BR>> <BR>> I'm not complaining
but those are simple maths and facts.<BR>> <BR>> Carlos<BR>> <BR>>
Desiree Miloshevic escribió:<BR>>> Veni and Carlos,<BR>>> Just to
set the record straight.<BR>>> Veni was also one of the members of the
ISOC funding projects committee, in the first phase, including other Trustees
and the staff.<BR>>> In the second phase, I remember that ISOC BG put
forward few very good proposals. The committee decided to fund one of ISOC BG
projects, which indeed, was not the IG one, but one that was
multi-disciplinary one, helping local community in Bulgaria.<BR>>> And
yes, chapters could become very active in promoting the ( 75 dollars)
individual membership within ISOC.<BR>>> This particular IGF funding in
question here, was not part of the funding project committee work.<BR>>>
Hope this helps,<BR>>> Desiree--<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
Dear Carlos,the work of the IGF is important, and ISOC - inmy opinion - has
properly contributed to theTrust Fund. ISOC-Bulgaria is also
participatingthere - see </FONT><A href="http://www.isoc.bg/ig"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>www.isoc.bg/ig</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2> and we
have managed todo some fundraising, although ISOC decided not tosupport our
project in the 2005 round of funding projects.<BR>>> Chapters have a
program, under which they canapply for funding from ISOC. Again, it's
myunderstanding that they should be getting morefunding for projects. Still,
in 2005 there was $150,000 for projects, and in 2006 the budget saysthere may
be $ 50,000 more, e.g. see page 33 ofhttp://www.isoc.org/isoc/SOP-Part2.pdfI
think chapters and individual members could getnot a straight amount, but a
percentage of thePIR contribution to ISOC budget - the same wayIETF gets
funding from some of the org members.<BR>>> However, if you want the
chapters to contributemore, they can do that in several different ways:for
exmaple some of them may decide to promotethe paid membership to ISOC ($ 75 /
year), andput together the missing 500 such members, whowill then be allowed
to elect Board Trustees. Asyou can understand, simple math shows that todaythe
Board's majority is elected by org membersand the IETF, and individual users /
chaptershave only 3 Trustees. If you want to change theBoard policy, that's
one of the legitimate ways.<BR>>> I hope you don't have doubts that
we're tryinghard to change the policy with all we can, butit's not that eays -
trust me on that.<BR>>> Best,Veni<BR>>> At 07:46 AM 14.2.2006
'?.'ЪЪ┬Ж -0500, Carlos Vera Q wrote:<BR>>> >>It would
be great to know who will benefit from this funding!! Not the >>Isoc
Chapters it seems >> >>Carlos Vera Quintana >>ISOC Ecuador
>> >>Franck Martin escribiС: > >>>
> </FONT><A
href="http://www.intgovforum.org/funding.htm"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.intgovforum.org/funding.htm</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2> >>> > >>> > >>>
> Funding >>> >
>>> > The following donors have made pledges or contributed to the
Trust Fund : >>> > >>> > - Swiss Agency for
Development and Cooperation (SDC >>> > <</FONT><A
href="http://www.sdc.admin.ch/"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.sdc.admin.ch/</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>)
>>> > >>> > - Ministry of Economic Affairs of The
Netherlands >>> > <</FONT><A
href="http://www.minez.nl/content.jsp?objectid=21438"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.minez.nl/content.jsp?objectid=21438</FONT></A><FONT
face=Arial size=2>> >>> > >>> > - Nominet UK
<</FONT><A href="http://www.nominet.org.uk/"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.nominet.org.uk/</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
>>> > >>> > - The Swiss Education and Research Network
(SWITCH <</FONT><A href="http://www.switch.ch/"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.switch.ch/</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>)
>>> > >>> > - The Internet Society (ISOC <</FONT><A
href="http://www.isoc.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.isoc.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>)
>>> > >>> > >>> > In-kind contributions
were received by: >>> > >>> > - The United Nations
Office in Geneva (UNOG <</FONT><A href="http://www.unog.ch/"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>http://www.unog.ch/</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
>>> > >>> > > >>
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