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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Carlos:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>"My concern is that people who
evaluate projects for funding seem not <BR>having time to understand the
proposed projects or proponents do not <BR>understand the concept of
evaluators for projects."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT color=#000000>I agree with you
Carlos. Maybe people on the evaluation committee don´t have the time or the
filling or maybe are culturally very distant from ISOC-Chapters goals and needs.
When people at a chapter prepare a proposal for funding, they put the heart and
soul on it and that is why we get so disappointed when our proposals are not
approved.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT color=#000000>Off course the
personal relationship does count. Maybe if you are in the evaluation committee
and you know me from a long time and know, for instance, about the projects
that the Colombian chapter have been working in from some time, we speak the
same mother tongue, like the same type of music and many other common things,
you might be tempted to vote for a YES on your committee on my chapter
proposal.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT color=#000000>This is the
reason why people from Chapters outside Washington and Genève should make an
effort to get into the BoT, and funding committees, so it gets more diversified,
and we get more to say at decision making time.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT color=#000000>I would like to
take the opportunity to propose you and colleagues from other
Latin-American chapters to get together and talk to each other in order to
explore what type of projects we can work together to present a joint-chapters
proposal for the next round, in order to increase our approval
probabilities.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT color=#000000>Best
regards,</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT color=#000000>Enrique Arrieta
Noguera</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT
color=#000000>President</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT
color=#000000>ISOC-Colombia</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT color=#000000>Bogotá,
Colombia</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Carlos Vera Q" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:cvera@interactive.net.ec"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>cvera@interactive.net.ec</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "Desiree Miloshevic" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:dmiloshevic@afilias.info"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>dmiloshevic@afilias.info</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cc: "isoc Chapter Delegates" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:25
PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Chaper Delegates -
ISOC is funing IGF</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> Dear all:<BR>> <BR>> My concern is that people who evaluate
projects for funding seem not <BR>> having time to understand the proposed
projects or proponents do not <BR>> understand the concept of evaluators for
projects.<BR>> <BR>> We strongly believe in one project when propose it.
Most of the times we <BR>> see the same or similar project that seems to work
when proposed for one <BR>> chapter-country and seems not to work (in
evaluator mind) when proposed <BR>> for less developing chapters from less
developing countries. Simple <BR>> maths again, count funds for projects and
where they go.<BR>> <BR>> For most of us is almost impossible participate
in events or <BR>> international meetings because of lack of funds..and this
increase our <BR>> gap between members or with others members. All our work
is on line, <BR>> from our room or closet. Funds should be used to empower
chapters to <BR>> create virtuoso circles. Is not a mystery that a good
proposal is better <BR>> if you have friends inside evaluation teams. So a
good opportunity comes <BR>> if you meet people and share experiences with
them.<BR>> <BR>> I'm not complaining but those are simple maths and
facts.<BR>> <BR>> Carlos<BR>> <BR>> Desiree Miloshevic
escribió:<BR>>> Veni and Carlos,<BR>>> Just to set the record
straight.<BR>>> Veni was also one of the members of the ISOC funding
projects committee, in the first phase, including other Trustees and the
staff.<BR>>> In the second phase, I remember that ISOC BG put forward few
very good proposals. The committee decided to fund one of ISOC BG projects,
which indeed, was not the IG one, but one that was multi-disciplinary one,
helping local community in Bulgaria.<BR>>> And yes, chapters could become
very active in promoting the ( 75 dollars) individual membership within
ISOC.<BR>>> This particular IGF funding in question here, was not part of
the funding project committee work.<BR>>> Hope this helps,<BR>>>
Desiree--<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Dear Carlos,the work of the IGF is
important, and ISOC - inmy opinion - has properly contributed to theTrust Fund.
ISOC-Bulgaria is also participatingthere - see </FONT><A
href="http://www.isoc.bg/ig"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>www.isoc.bg/ig</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2> and we have managed
todo some fundraising, although ISOC decided not tosupport our project in the
2005 round of funding projects.<BR>>> Chapters have a program, under which
they canapply for funding from ISOC. Again, it's myunderstanding that they
should be getting morefunding for projects. Still, in 2005 there was $150,000
for projects, and in 2006 the budget saysthere may be $ 50,000 more, e.g. see
page 33 ofhttp://www.isoc.org/isoc/SOP-Part2.pdfI think chapters and individual
members could getnot a straight amount, but a percentage of thePIR contribution
to ISOC budget - the same wayIETF gets funding from some of the org
members.<BR>>> However, if you want the chapters to contributemore, they
can do that in several different ways:for exmaple some of them may decide to
promotethe paid membership to ISOC ($ 75 / year), andput together the missing
500 such members, whowill then be allowed to elect Board Trustees. Asyou can
understand, simple math shows that todaythe Board's majority is elected by org
membersand the IETF, and individual users / chaptershave only 3 Trustees. If you
want to change theBoard policy, that's one of the legitimate ways.<BR>>> I
hope you don't have doubts that we're tryinghard to change the policy with all
we can, butit's not that eays - trust me on that.<BR>>>
Best,Veni<BR>>> At 07:46 AM 14.2.2006 '?.'ЪЪ┬Ж -0500, Carlos Vera Q
wrote:<BR>>> >>It would be great to know who will benefit from
this funding!! Not the >>Isoc Chapters it seems >> >>Carlos
Vera Quintana >>ISOC Ecuador >> >>Franck Martin escribiС: >
>>> > </FONT><A
href="http://www.intgovforum.org/funding.htm"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.intgovforum.org/funding.htm</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>
>>> > >>> > >>>
> Funding >>> > >>>
> The following donors have made pledges or contributed to the Trust Fund :
>>> > >>> > - Swiss Agency for Development and
Cooperation (SDC >>> > <</FONT><A
href="http://www.sdc.admin.ch/"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.sdc.admin.ch/</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>)
>>> > >>> > - Ministry of Economic Affairs of The
Netherlands >>> > <</FONT><A
href="http://www.minez.nl/content.jsp?objectid=21438"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.minez.nl/content.jsp?objectid=21438</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> >>> > >>> > - Nominet UK <</FONT><A
href="http://www.nominet.org.uk/"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.nominet.org.uk/</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
>>> > >>> > - The Swiss Education and Research Network
(SWITCH <</FONT><A href="http://www.switch.ch/"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.switch.ch/</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>)
>>> > >>> > - The Internet Society (ISOC <</FONT><A
href="http://www.isoc.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.isoc.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>) >>>
> >>> > >>> > In-kind contributions were received by:
>>> > >>> > - The United Nations Office in Geneva (UNOG
<</FONT><A href="http://www.unog.ch/"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.unog.ch/</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>> >>>
> >>> > > >>
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